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    These are hard questions that when asked typically result in a great deal of squirming. With regard to personal use, transportation, and storage; could Defense Ammunition issue comprehensive guidance specifically addressing competitive program ammunition? Beyond orders as specified in AR 190-11 what documents are required to possess and transport practice ammunition in a competitive marksmanship or biathlon Soldiers POV? Does a DD form 2890 for military vessels or commercial carriers apply to personally owned vehicles as well? Could Defense Ammunition issue additional guidance concerning the loss of brass from ammunition consumed during marksmanship and biathlon events? More guidance is needed to better explain these types of losses to the ammunition logistical community; these professionals are not easily convinced of the importance of supporting Soldier Athletes. In addition to the guidance in Ar 190-11 in what manner is the Soldier to transport small quantities of 1.4 S ammunition in a POV? is a Soldier operating their POV while transporting small quantities of Army 1.4 S ammunition prohibited from having non-military passengers? How much marksmanship or biathlon 1.4 S ammunition can be transported in a POV? "A case" of ammunition is an arbitrary number, the explosive potential of a case of .22 cal ammunition vs a case of .300 Winchester magnum ammunition are a great deal different. It seems the quantity ought to be based on the explosive potential, rather than the size of the manufacturers packaging. What regulatory guidance specifies the quantity of type 1.4 S ammunition a Soldier Athlete can possess, transport, and store in his POV and home? What record keeping requirements does each Soldier have regarding consumption and storage of practice ammunition? What online training courses are recommended for our Soldier Athletes and their leaders regarding proper ammunition accountability and handling for competitive programs? With respect to one particular challenge, how much 1.4 S ammunition can be issued to an individual lower enlisted Soldier living in a remote mountain community? The Soldier requires very frequent, regular practice with an Army issued biathlon rifle in order to make the Olympics. For how long is it legally possible to keep an e 581 open in order to support marksmanship or biathlon practices throughout the course of the fiscal year for consumption at several installations and locations? Under what conditions and with what guidance is it acceptable for individual Soldier/Athletes to purchase and use commercial ammunition for competitive marksmanship or biathlon use?


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    Information provided is general in nature due to inability to know all related issues and all service, command, and local regulations and requirements.  Regulatory guidance is interpreted by local installation/organization personnel and there is often additional or more stringent guidance applied through local regulation and policy than is included in the overarching regulation.

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    With regard to personal use, transportation, and storage; could Defense Ammunition issue comprehensive guidance specifically addressing competitive program ammunition?

    Guidance can be found in various Army, Army Command, and Army National Guard publications as noted throughout the questions (see AR 190-11, DA Pam 385-64, DA Pam 710-2-1, NGR 385-64).  Contact those organizations/proponents (DA G3/4, ARNG G3/4, etc.) to request clarification or exception to policy.

    Beyond orders as specified in AR 190-11 what documents are required to possess and transport practice ammunition in a competitive marksmanship or biathlon Soldiers POV? Does a DD form 2890 for military vessels or commercial carriers apply to personally owned vehicles as well?

    As noted and IAW AR 190-11, authorization to transport marksmanship weapons and ammunition in a privately owned vehicle must be listed on travel orders or other official documentation.  Other documentation could include issue document, sub-hand receipt, appointment orders, etc. when travel orders are not required.  The ASP would answer the questions as to a DD 626 vehicle inspection or DD 2890 Dangerous Goods Declaration requirement but if used these forms could also be considered "other documentation".

    Could Defense Ammunition issue additional guidance concerning the loss of brass from ammunition consumed during marksmanship and biathlon events? More guidance is needed to better explain these types of losses to the ammunition logistical community; these professionals are not easily convinced of the importance of supporting Soldier Athletes.

    Turn-in of ammunition and residue to the ammunition supply point (ASP) is covered in DA Pam 710-2-1, chapter 11-16 and appendix J.  Paragraph 11-16 d. contains a specific entry for the ARNG State Marksmanship Coordinator (SMC).  Appendix J recommends contacting the issuing ASP for additional information regarding residue.  For additional guidance, exception to policy, etc., address concerns through ARNG G3/4 or DA G3/4 etc.

    In addition to the guidance in Ar 190-11 in what manner is the Soldier to transport small quantities of 1.4 S ammunition in a POV?

    DA Pam 385-64 para 20-11e provides the following guidance that applies specifically to marksmanship programs:  Explosives will not be transported in a passenger compartment of a vehicle except in cases involving limited quantities (no more than two full outer-packs of small arms ammunition with non-explosive bullets). The small arms ammunition must be in closed containers which are properly secured in the vehicle, and seats must be available for all personnel. Using privately owned vehicles for such purposes is prohibited, except for the Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) and Marksmanship Programs when a government-owned vehicle is not available. It is permissible to transport limited quantities of HD 1.4 small arms ammunition in the trunk of sedan-type government-owned vehicles or in cargo compartments of government-owned van type vehicles.

    Is a Soldier operating their POV while transporting small quantities of Army 1.4 S ammunition prohibited from having non-military passengers?

    See DA Pam 385-64 paragraph 20-11e and discuss with chain of command and JAG office regarding possible liability with non-military or non-mission essential personnel passengers.

    How much marksmanship or biathlon 1.4 S ammunition can be transported in a POV? "A case" of ammunition is an arbitrary number, the explosive potential of a case of .22 cal ammunition vs a case of .300 Winchester magnum ammunition are a great deal different. It seems the quantity ought to be based on the explosive potential, rather than the size of the manufacturers packaging.

    See DA Pam 385-64 paragraph 20-11e as referenced above regarding transportation of limited quantities (no more than two full outer packs) of small arms ammunition with non-explosive bullets.  Also AR 190-11 paragraph 7-11.

    What regulatory guidance specifies the quantity of type 1.4 S ammunition a Soldier Athlete can possess, transport, and store in his POV and home?

    TAMIS authorizations for event code, number of personnel and weapons, etc. would determine quantity of ammunition.  Check with your supporting ammunition office or ARNG G3/4.

    For transport, security, and storage refer to AR 190-11 paragraphs 4-6 and 7-12 and DA Pam 385-64 paragraph 20-11.

    What record keeping requirements does each Soldier have regarding consumption and storage of practice ammunition?

    Refer to DA Pam 710-2-1, Chapter 11 for comprehensive information on ammunition management from request to issue and use, inventory, storage, turn-in etc.  AR 190-11 addresses some inventory and storage requirements and the DA Pam 385-64 addresses storage as well.

    What online training courses are recommended for our Soldier Athletes and their leaders regarding proper ammunition accountability and handling for competitive programs?

    NGR 385-64, Chapter 4, ARNG AE Safety Training Program and Strategy, provides information on function specific training requirements, training certification board actions,  and recommended training courses.  Many of these training courses are available online from the Defense Ammunition Center website at http://www.dactces.org/ .

    With respect to one particular challenge, how much 1.4 S ammunition can be issued to an individual lower enlisted Soldier living in a remote mountain community?  The Soldier requires very frequent, regular practice with an Army issued biathlon rifle in order to make the Olympics.

    Recommend discussion with chain of command and G3/4 if looking for exception to normal processes for issue of ammunition.

    For how long is it legally possible to keep an e 581 open in order to support marksmanship or biathlon practices throughout the course of the fiscal year for consumption at several installations and locations?

    Refer to DA Pam 710-2-1 chapter 11.  This is determined by training dates listed on the DA 581 submitted through TAMIS.  The ASP will add five working days to it, for reconciliation.

    Under what conditions and with what guidance is it acceptable for individual Soldier/Athletes to purchase and use commercial ammunition for competitive marksmanship or biathlon use?

    I recommend discussing with your chain of command and G3/4.  They will know the requirements and process or elevate as appropriate.


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