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Edited: 12/7/2021 10:48 AM
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AAFES Sale of Ammunition

The Army and Air Force Exchange is selling small arms ammunition in their retail department. Is DA Pam 385-64, paragraph 2-11 or other explosive safety standards applicable to the Exchange’s sale of ammunition? Should an explosive license be issued?

Contributed by Mr. Thomas

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The Army and Air Force Exchange is selling small arms ammunition in their retail department. Is DA Pam 385-64, paragraph 2-11 or other explosive safety standards applicable to the Exchange’s sale of ammunition? Should an explosive license be issued?

Contributed by Mr. Thomas

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Edited: 3/29/2018 1:46 PM
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From Mr. Geis (Systems Eng, Eglin AFB): If you are familiar with the definitions and characteristics of explosives versus modern smokeless propellants like those used in small arms, there is much less risk to personnel or property from burning propellants than there is in igniting explosives.  Explosives cause damage by shock and associated flame and heat.  Propellants burn much slower and will make a lot of smoke if not contained in pressure vessels.  The typical small arms cartridge or 1 lb. plastic jar of reloading propellant pose almost zero risk of explosion due to their design and chemical make up.  A heated cartridge in a dept. store fire would expel its bullet at very low velocity due to the lack of a barrel to propel it, while the plastic container of modern smokeless  propellant would cause a lot of smoke but have no explosive effect at all.  No explosives licensed should be required.  If you would like more information please reply, I would be glad to discuss or provide technical resources.

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From Mr. Geis (Systems Eng, Eglin AFB): If you are familiar with the definitions and characteristics of explosives versus modern smokeless propellants like those used in small arms, there is much less risk to personnel or property from burning propellants than there is in igniting explosives.  Explosives cause damage by shock and associated flame and heat.  Propellants burn much slower and will make a lot of smoke if not contained in pressure vessels.  The typical small arms cartridge or 1 lb. plastic jar of reloading propellant pose almost zero risk of explosion due to their design and chemical make up.  A heated cartridge in a dept. store fire would expel its bullet at very low velocity due to the lack of a barrel to propel it, while the plastic container of modern smokeless  propellant would cause a lot of smoke but have no explosive effect at all.  No explosives licensed should be required.  If you would like more information please reply, I would be glad to discuss or provide technical resources.

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Posted: 3/30/2018 8:53 AM
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Tom Coradeschi

I'll add to Mr Geis' comment: SAAMI has created an informational video for First Responders, which demonstrates the issues relating to small arms ammo in fires. It's on the SAAMI website at http://saami.org/videos/sporting_ammunition_and_the_firefighter.cfm or directly on youtube at https://youtu.be/3SlOXowwC4c

 

Best regards...

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I'll add to Mr Geis' comment: SAAMI has created an informational video for First Responders, which demonstrates the issues relating to small arms ammo in fires. It's on the SAAMI website at http://saami.org/videos/sporting_ammunition_and_the_firefighter.cfm or directly on youtube at https://youtu.be/3SlOXowwC4c

 

Best regards...

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Posted: 4/4/2018 3:57 PM
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ELLEN MERWITZ

Requirements of DA PAM 385-64 are applicable to Army installations.  Paragraph 2-11 of DA PAM 385-64 requires retail stores to be managed and licensed similiar to an Arms Room. Requirements for installations of Other Services would be in their applicable Ammunition Safety regulations.

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Requirements of DA PAM 385-64 are applicable to Army installations.  Paragraph 2-11 of DA PAM 385-64 requires retail stores to be managed and licensed similiar to an Arms Room. Requirements for installations of Other Services would be in their applicable Ammunition Safety regulations.

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Posted: 12/6/2021 4:04 PM
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ROBERT CHENARD

DA Pam 385-64 Para 2-11 applies to Rod and Gun Clubs, which would not otherwise be regulated.

-->     How did this get translated to include AAFES Sales, which gets federally licensed? 


Where did the referenced document "AAFES Sale of Ammunition -Explosives Safety Bulletin 2010" get filed?  This link does not open the document...



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DA Pam 385-64 Para 2-11 applies to Rod and Gun Clubs, which would not otherwise be regulated.

-->     How did this get translated to include AAFES Sales, which gets federally licensed? 


Where did the referenced document "AAFES Sale of Ammunition -Explosives Safety Bulletin 2010" get filed?  This link does not open the document...



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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:51 AM
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I can not find a copy of the AAFES Sale of Ammunition 2010. 

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I can not find a copy of the AAFES Sale of Ammunition 2010. 

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